The Constitution and the FLDS

In our lives we have seen well intention  people who have express the concerns  that the constitution was in Jeopardy.  They fine all sorts of reasons to disobey the Laws of the land. Even when this occurs we often time wonder if it really applies?

The  current situation with the FLDS church  makes one wonder if not supporting the constitution in this is necessary when some indicate that in doing so that I don’t understand the concept of not supporting a organization and yet supporting immoral behavior and using the constitution as something to hide behind!

When worst comes to worst, we see  people not only willing to sacifice the children by FLDS parents, but stand in front of the so called sacred constitution.  So would  in effect so often support the  Destruction of human rights of the child in support of the so-call constitution.   Willing to go along with a mad man in order to protect these rights?  Willing to excuse abuse for the protection of a piece of paper?

But of course, that would far from the point. I understand many people  need to defend what you consider sacraed. I remember going through a civics course at the BYU and the discussion of the constitution came up.

In the Professor lecture he would explain it to us in this way. Unlike the current crop of constitution scholars, he did not believe it to be a living document.

One that changes over the years as society changes. We have turned this document into a living, breathing instrument for the people. Which it is not. In that lecture I even copy what he said in the class:

“Our Constitution is historical artifact—a genuinely dead letter—if its original sense became irrelevant, to be replaced by the views of successive waves of judges and justices intent on “updating” it, or replacing what some judges view as the “dead hand of the past” with contemporary moral theory.”

As much as we dislike this occurring it happen all the time and even in the case everyone is talking about. Our constitution is modifed all the time by states where the federal government does not address. Governments, may and oftern do, carry unwise public policies without and this happen all the time, without running against the constitution.

A State Supreme Judge once said that:

“I often uphold policies that have been enacted in the state legislature, or by cities and counties and townships, that I believe are unwise. But lack of wisdom is not the test for what is or is not constitutional, and lack of wisdom is not what allows me—a judge, not the adult supervisor of society—to exercise the enormous power of judicial review and strike down laws that have been enacted by “we the people” through their elected representatives. Redress for unwise public policies must generally come as the product of democratic debate and at the ballot box, not through judicial correction.”

In the case we are all debate here it seems that the only place this going to be settle is in the Federal court system. But you mention in your posting the following:

”Which brings us to the reason we are opposed to the legal event: If the State of Texas can trample on the rights of one minority, like the FLDS, it can trample on anyone's rights.

If the state of Texas can, so can the state of Utah, the state of Colorado, the state of Idaho, the state of California, the state of Ohio, or Nebraska. This is personal, it affects me, it affects you, it affects everyone who will read this message, and hundreds of thousands or millions of others.”

Here is the rub. I read this recently:

“A nominee was asked before a senate Judiciary commitee , “If a decision in a particular case was required by law or statute and yet that offended your conscience, what would you do?” The nominee answered, “Senator, I have to be honest with you. If I was faced with a situation like that and it ran against my conscience, I would follow my conscience.” He went on to explain: “I was born and raised in this country, and I believe that I am steeped in its traditions, its mores, its beliefs and its philosophies, and if I felt strongly in a situation like that, I feel that it would be the product of my very being and upbringing. I would follow my conscience.”

In this situation where the moralaity of the crime and grant you in you particular belief there is no crime or one yet to be proven.

But Judge Barbara Walther has taken the same step as decribe above. I would hope someone would. If the investigation of what when on in the compound was found false then the parents will received their children back.
Some claim this at this time effects everyone evolved. But I am sure if they believe it does then the higher courts will say so. If it does I would be proven wrong and I will admit to that.
But if we abuse allegations are proven right and it seems that some are, then yes the State should be given thanks for doing what was best for the children. Most of the parents this point it seems that not willing to go into the labs and submitting their DNA and it may ultinmatly prove the State’s point. Now that is true love!

We can probably be assured that while all this media attention is going on, we can be sure that all this will persist in keeping the controversies alive for our continued viewing and listening pleasure.

Has Mormon Apologetics & Discussion Board Gone FLDS?

About a year ago I join what I thought was a discussion board on Mormon church and it's doctrines.   My wife and I decided that it might help us with our faith and understanding of the church we so love.  What we discovered is something totally different!

What we discovered was Discussion Board that seems to both wife and I and many others  in and out of the church a vehicle for the promotion of the FLDS church and other anti-Mormon groups.

The Moderators of this board have will  not allow free expression of opinion, and   contrary to the party line.  You may find yourself  ban you from the site or far worst sensor you for expressing a opinion.  One moderator express after I wondered if freedom of speech was on this board?  His answer was that that was no freedom of speech, but freedom of Ideas.  I puzzle at this and wondered what was the difference?  Free expression of Ideas, is freedom of speech  and are the same!  If seems that this moderator most have gone to school at the University of  the FLDS.

This occur because I wonder  and express in a post if some on the board supported the rape of 13 through 16 year olds?  This upset some of the Pro-FLDS posters and they complaint to the moderator.

This of course is to be expected when dealing with the Public relations campaign of the FLDS church on the national news media.  The call seems to be how torture the poor women of the FLDS church are?   There you will see women crying with no tears  and the main purpose for these past few weeks  so not to express  how much they  want their children back.  The acting job from these women should be up for a Oscar next year

Of Course the renaming of this board needs to be done.  It should be called the FLDS Apologetics and discussion Board.  Since the board is perverse and devoted to the cause of illegal behavior

We now have a full board devoted to the cause of the FLDS church. Some of the members of this board have decided that they would become activity support the FLDS church by hiding behind the Constitution instead of supporting it, as the 12th  Article of faith express.

My suggestions for people looking for a discussion board is to avoid the Mormon Apologetics and Discussion board and I am sure you wish not to be indoctrinated with Anti Mormon and pro polygamous views!!  Certainly freedom to express one self is not what goes on in this board!  

The FLDS Church Propaganda

This past few weeks we have seen a activity in the religious world for the most party  not equal in the United States.  We witness the Pope arrival  in the United States  which  maybe bought to those who Catholics a understand of what the Vatican expected for them.  Everyone knew when the Pope left where he stood on many issues  including the sex abuse issues in the U.S.

While all of this was going on, we had a minor religious sect coming from the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ  of Latter-Day Saints.  This organization left the LDS church some one hundred years base on the fact they would not except the concept of a single loving relationship to one women.  Holy Cow  that would really blow ones mind!

Hard to believe huh!  however  I have actually notice that some LDS or Mainstream Mormons as well as ex-Mormons seem to be supporting the FLDS in the  discussion group:  "Mormon apologetic and discussion board"  you can find in the pages people lapping up every talking point the FLDS church or it's members have to say.  This Board has gone from becoming a discussion of Mormonism  and it's beliefs to a mouth piece for the FLDS.

A example of this is: 

"we can accept that  "The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" are technically "Latter-day Saints" (which clearly they are). then we ought to determine if that is equivanlent to being Mormon."

The Mainstream Mormon church has  told the world that the FLDS church is not Mormon.  You can understand why the practice of marrying of 13, 14 and 15 years old is child abuse, pure and simple.  As a Mormon and Latter-Day Saint, I would agree with this.  It is more than time for the New First Presidency to announce to the world as the Pope did again and again that  the church is not in the business of abusing children!