The Other Side of Healthcare

I thought it would be interesting to try to know what the other side believes so without comment and very little editing I am printing a email from a friend. You may pick it apart as you wish and good luck!


Mark
You obviously don't have a problem with the gov't take-over of some services but you do of others. I feel the same as you do. I don't have a problem with the gov't take-over of some services but I would of others. I don't have a problem with a public option (more choice... isn't that what you tea-baggers want... more choices?) or even single-payer gov't health insurance as every other industrialized nation has. This is NOT a gov't take-over of healthcare as the right wing is proclaiming. Obviously you are voting against your own best interests. YOu don't have a problem with health ins. executives making billions$$$ in profits. That's money coming OUT of your premiums and cheating you OUT of your healthcare.

All Healthcare should be NON-PROFIT BY LAW!!! Ins. companies now have panels that decide when to deny care to the very sick... they deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. Many have networks that you must use their doctors and not your own. So all this tea-bagger right wing bulls**t about a public opion is exactly that... BULLS**T. You are DUPE,. Who the hell do you think is creating all this chaos??? The ins. co's and big pharma are tapping into the hate of Obama... NO need to comment on this.

Basically you hate Obama and that's the bottom line. Bill Clinton left $$$billions in surplus when he left office and yet you have no problem with Bush squandering that surplus PLUS Bush squandered and stole $$$billions relating to that illegal phoney Iraq war. I didn't see the tea-baggers protesting those $$$billions that "their children" would have to pay back. Funny how that works.... Obama inherits the worst ecomony since WW2 and everything is his fault???... it really disgusts me.

I know this: America is a dead man walking thanks to the disastrous programs of ReaganNomics practiced for the last 30 years. EVen Clinton was guilty for signing in NAFTA and GAT. We will never recover because we don't have a manufacturing base in America. It's all made in China, Honduras, etc. We don't have a strong middle class of well-paid UNION workers that built America. Unfortunately Obama is not talking about nulifying GAT and NAFTA. We must put 100% tariffs on all foreign-made products immediately. Re-instate the Sherman Anti-trust Act that Reagan nulified and break up the media/industrial complex and most important: PUBLIC FUNDING OF ALL ELECTIONS!!! This will ELIMINATE the lobbyists IMMEDIATELY!!!!

But none of that will happen so America is a dead man walking. Every year will be worse than the previous year. Every decade will be worse than the previous decade. We are seeing it now. 1999 was a lot better than 2009. (9/11 was Bush's excuse to destroy our American way of life for the average American and concentrate power in the hands of a few.) Your kids will have a very bleek future... living in a society of a few very, very rich billionaires and millions and millions of worker bees... working for subsistance wages... we see that happening now... college educated people working 2 jobs for low wages... sad... America could have been great but it is a failure for average Americans.

Don't reply to this. No need to go any further... I won't reply... I just had to rant. All this right-wing, tea-bagger, bull**it is getting to me.

George.

Washington, DC 9-12 Tea Party

There are some Estimates that the 9-12 party's reach two million. enjoy the video!

The Lair and Chief

Thank You, S.C. Rep. Wilson...
...it is about time someone told THE ONE he is a liar. Maybe if more people used plain truthful language like that, there would be less lying in Washington.
For the LIAR-IN-CHIEF to come out and lie to our faces like that is just too much, and I thank God Mr. Wilson finally said what all informed Americans know.
I don't care if the death-care bill has a line that says, "Illegal aliens are not covered". They still will be covered, because the lying anti-American liberals have made it illegal TO ASK ANYONES STATUS! How do you keep them out of the system if you can't ask for their status?
Does anyone believe for an instant that the death-care bill will, "not add one cent to the deficit?" How stupid does he think the American public is? Govenrment has NEVER touched anything without making it cost 5 times what it cost in the private sector.
Not cover abortion? No bill will come out of the house without it. I would love it if that were true, because it would mean there will be no bill.
No "death panels?" The LIAR-IN-CHIEF himself said to a woman, on national TV, who asked if her mom would recieve treatment under his plan or die, that, sometimes, "it's better if we just give her a pill", rather than the hip replacement she needs.
Who will make that decision? Will it not be a group of people, like in England, that will say, no you're too old and not worth the money?
Will they not do as THE LIAR-IN-CHIEF has said, and stop doing research and finding new drugs?
They may not call them death panels, but that is exactly what they will be.
More people should point out the blatant lies being thrown around. Stop this politically correct BS. If your being lied to, call them on it publically. Maybe when people start speaking non-pc English, the results will be less lies.
The sleeper agent in the white house, trying to destroy American capitalism and the country as a whole, is a danger to us all and must be stopped. Pointing out publically that he is a blatant, bold-faced liar might be the start.
Enough is enough!
Thank you again, Rep. Wilson, for your courage to "speak truth to power!"

9-11 Finding Hope!

You Lie!

President Obama's speech before a joint session of Congress was in effect a sad repetition of past speeches that really didn’t clear up anything he has said in the past.
It was a non starter, in fact I had this feeling that he left it again to do nearly nothing concerning HR 3200. The main problems is the speech lack again any substance and Obama himself didn’t propose anything outside what was said in the bill.

In effect is not going to quiet anything down including the Tea Parties and the fireworks that when on in the Town hall meeting this past August. It is almost amazing that the President it seems has not read what is in HR3200 and in fact just re stated what the liberal pundents have already said. But is amazing is the pundents didn’t read the bill either.

In that we are still seeing especially in tonight's speech the willingness to continue with the the cover up of whats is in the bill, and it shows on their faces, at one point in the speech when the night's defining moment — which Democrats hope to transform into a turning point – came when Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouted "You lie!" as Obama claimed his plan wouldn't offer free care to illegal immigrants.

The fact that on page 50 of HR3200 does give free healthcare to illegal immigrants only proves that Wilson has read the Bill and the Democrats and Obama for the most part havn’t!
It reminds me of Dean Wormer's speech in Animal House when everybody was coughing "Bull...." These democrats call people who have honest disagreements with them liars. They omit facts and details and stretch the truth thinking we can not see that as lying, it is the same thing. We now have a President that calls people who? pay his salary, liars in public. How classless..

What’s Really in Obama’s Health Care Reform Bill – Plain English

Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and then change insurance, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option.
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure.
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed.
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll BR
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll


• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt’ have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.”
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

More On Town Hall meeting

I wanted to share with all my friends. Wonderful even! Learn allot!

New England Type Town Hall Meeting in Tucson!

Last night's town hall meeting hosted by Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was if it wasn’t so serious, it would have been allot more entertaining. To set the stage to this event there was a full contingent of People to defend Gabby was on stage, and the first person up was the former President of the University of Arizona, after that the former Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona who sounded more Political than he claim in his short speech of being bi-partisan.

There was close to 30 people on stage with the congresswoman and if looked as if, if she wanted to take cover she would duck behind some innocent targets. The audience was estimated up to 2 thousand people and I would say it was bit more. 85 percent of the audience was anti reform and there was pretty reasonable amount people there representing the other side of the issue.

Of course there was the usual statements of irrelevant statistics on the other side of the issue. What dawn on me in her speech was he references always to being a blue dog democrat, who believe that in the public option. which in someway contradicted her stand. I thought that blue dogs did not believe in the public options or could I be wrong? There was maybe about twenty participants and close to thirty questions for her. Most of which she did her best to dodge and some were loaded with half answers and most with no answers at all!

She claim she had read the bill referencing it a few times and it might of been refreshing except it seem to some of facts in her questions and some of her answers seem to show a lack of knowledge of it. Some of the other questions were why are we rushing this thought, But she also seem to think that maybe the bill could be pass piece by piece through the congress.

One man seem who supported the HR 3200 complaint how terrible our health care and then started to compare it to other countries. He quoted a statistics then comparing the US health care system and rank it below Cuba. He looked as if he was a lion being corner by hunters. He was a emotion liberal type who decided to yell at the audience and he, knew he was fighting a losing battle.
But that of one speaker proudly called his group ("the Saddlebrook Mob" .] The mob reacted to words, booing mention of the US Census Bureau, illegal aliens, electronic medical health records, Cuba, Former Governor Napolitano, VA government health care.

In all the Obamacare movement seem to have a hard time with the facts quoting statistics years old, when comparing to a well informed anti Obamacare movement. There emotional arguments didn’t sway anyone and at one point a suppose Doctor who happen to be wearing a white coat asked a question in support of the public option. Many consider him more a joke than a true representation of a health care professional!

Overall, the town meeting had it moments and represented what was good about America. It was what was traditional in the American system of debating a issue. It was a traditional New England Town meeting with all the rancor and drowning out the opposition that was suppose to happen.

Giffords only did these town halls because of those who oppose Obamacare overwhelmed with calls and emails. She is a typical democrat, she will fake right and go left, she will vote for this pig of a bill. She very well knows that the Public option will turn into a single payer option that Progressives and liberals want. How can she call herself a blue dog after voting for cap and tax and the porkulos spending bill? She is a liberal lap dog that votes 90 percent of the time with Pelosi.

As I said above 85 percent of the people I saw there were against this bill, If this represents the mood of the American people as a whole the democrats are now in trouble. They may not want to pursues these bill any further. They may want to cut their loses now, rather than lose the the House and Senate in the fall of 2010. Giffords future is in doubt, if the right candidate from the conservatives shows up! Overall, Last night's event was a true sign of our Republic! Makes me proud to be a American! A American Mob in the true sense of the word! Thank God for it!